Radarman’s Full Refund From Hong Kong eBay Fake Flash Memory Seller go2besthk. Radarman’s Conversations.

Radarman is an eBay member sold a false capacity usb flash drive from eBay seller go2besthk. Presented to you in chronological order are the communications between Radarman and go2besthk. SOSFakeFlash and Radarman hope you will find it helpful in dealing with your fake flash seller. It is one of the most interesting and intriguing communications on record between an eBayer and a fake flash memory seller. Even fun to read! It also demonstates how you must persist.

From SOSFakeFlash Archive:2008/09/27: go2besthk- Radarman’s Full Refund from Hong Kong Ebay Fake Flash Seller

go2besthk is an eBay Seller of Fake Flash drives and MP Players. This seller has been busy frauding eBayers since February 2008 and is skilled at evasion, crocodile tears and attempting to fool eBayers about the truth by claiming manufacturing defects. Fake Flash is not a manufacturing defect but illegal reprogramming of controllers to lie about the true size of a flash drive! One eBayer to be known as Radarman, decided to corner and force go2besthk to refund in Full. No, Radarman did not return the drive. You will find this story interesting and useful in dealing with a fake flash seller on eBay.

See go2besthk Negative And Neutral Feedback History

Email 1

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 7:27 AM
To: Radarman@gmail.com

Hello,Radarman
I am really sorry to hear the frustration caused !
But i order the very item from a manufactory ,he has promised that the item is great !
I think they must have made mistake to confound the items !
I am sorry for that ,friend ,and in fact ,we have stopped deal with them for long !
But we will file case to them for compensaction soon !
So could you please return the item back for replace again ?
We promise with a great item this time ,friend !
Sincerely apologize !
And we then send you gift with the item this time ,friend

Go

Address for returning :
Go2besthk
D F/17,Tai Yang Dao Building ,
Dongmen Road,Luohu District,Shenzhen,
China

Notice the “Gift” enticement, this is often done by a fake flash seller, to smooth ruffled eBay feathers and buy time. People feel better with an offer of something extra. But remember an eBay seller of counterfeit flash is “No Sugar Plum Fairy”!

Email 2

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:23 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

Hello Go,

Thank you for your reply. It will take another 3 or 4 weeks for me to receive a new item from you if I return it now and wait for you to send it back. I already sent one back to you, and I really don’t want to send another one back, since it takes a long time and costs me more money. I would like you to send me the new USB drive now. I think that is fair considering I paid for this item on July 24th, nearly 2 months ago! Will you please send it to me as soon as possible.

Thanks again,
Radarman

Email 3

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:33 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Hello,Radarman
Thank you for your prompt reply !
But i am just a staff of the company ,i should do my work under the provssions of my company ,right ?
Only the item is back here ,do i do the replacement ,friend
Hope you can understand ! as so much inconvenience caused ,i promise that i will send you gift then ,friend
Your understanding will be great appreciated !
And normally the delivery will take about one week ,once it is here ,do i inform you and send you the replacement at the first time ,friend !

sincerely
Go

Here we see the “I am only an employee..” routine. Well, that is used by people all over the world. It is a favorite used by everyone to bond with the victim and gain sympathy.

Email 4

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:38 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

What is the gift that you will send in addition to the USB drive? Do you have a picture of what the new USB drive will look like?

Radarman

Email 5

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:41 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

I can send you a standers card reader !
But it is sure that the USB drive will be the same as the one you own friend

Email 6

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:42 AM
To: go2best hk go2besthk@gmail.com

Sorry, but I do not need a card reader. I would rather have my money refunded. Will you refund me the cost of the item and the shipping charge instead?

Radarman

Email 7

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:03 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Hello,Radarman
I think a full refund is fair for both of us ,friend !
But you know during the deal ,i have lost my two postal to send you the item too ,right ,friend ?
So please return the item with normal posting whick will cost only 0.78USD !

sincerely
Go

Email 8

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:03 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

So how much will my refund be in total?

Email 9

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

The fund you payed to me for the item ,friend

Email 10

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

What is the exact amount I will be refunded?

Email 11

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

It is 13.99 USD !

Email 12

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:29 PM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

Dear go2besthk,

I purchased a 4GB USB drive from you, and it didn’t work. I shipped it back to you, at my expense, and had a 2nd drive shipped to me. This 2nd drive was also didn’t work. Testing the 2nd drive with H2testw1.4 showed the drive as being only a 1.9GB drive.

I want a full refund of my money – the $13.99USD that I originally paid for this item, plus the $2USD for shipping the first USB drive back to you.

If I do not have $15.99USD refunded to me by the end of this week, I will:

1. File a complaint with eBay and PayPal
2. Leave negative feedback

In addition, I will contact the Hong Kong Police Technology Crime Division at cpu-tcd@police.gov.hk. I will provide them all information, including evidence of the testing on my drive and your postal address to which I returned the original drive. Their postal address is:

Technology Crime Prevention Unit,
Technology Crime Division,
Commercial Crime Bureau, HKP,
22/F, Arsenal House,
Police Headquarters,
1 Arsenal Street, Wanchai
Hong Kong.

From now on, all emails between us will also be sent to eBay, PayPal and the Hong Kong Police.

I will not return the item. It is not defective, IT IS FRAUD.

I await your response. You have until 26th September to have my refund completed before contacting the police.

Radarman
Item Number: 999999999999

– Radarman

Item and user details
Item Title: 4GB USB 2.0 Drive Flash Memory Stick Pen 4Go 4 GB G U24
Item Number: 999999999999

Email 13

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:18 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Hello,sir/madam
I am sorry for my late reply !
Firstly ,i am sorry for inconvenience caused !
But i promise that i have never cheat you , if it is ,i won’t resend you the replacement item ,isn’t it ?
I am honestly to solve every problem with you !i have clearly checked the item before sending out ,it is really good !
But i am so confused that why it is not okay by your side !
But in this case , i am sorry for that ,i can refund to you !
And once i receive the back item ,i do refund you 16USD !
You have my word , hope you can understand ,friend!

sincerely
Go

Checked item? We wonder what is meant by this? Checking to see it is able to lie to the operating system and report a capacity larger than it truely was? We do know it certainly was not “checked” using a software program such as H2testw 1.4, otherwise the seller would not have dared to send it.

Email 14

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:40 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

As I said, I am not returning the item to you. It is not defective, it is a fake. I am keeping the item as evidence and will hand it over to the Hong Kong Police if you do not refund my money by the end of this week. It is your choice – give me my money back NOW or you can deal with the Hong Kong Police.

Email 15

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:40 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

As I said, this item is not defective – it is a fake item and can be used against you to prove that you have been selling fake items on eBay. I WILL NOT send it back to you. You MUST refund my money NOW.

Radarman

Email 16

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:46 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

As I said, this item is not defective – it is a fake item and can be used against you to prove that you have been selling fake items on eBay. I WILL NOT send it back to you. You MUST refund my money NOW. If you ask me to return it one more time, I will stop all communication with you, leave negative feedback, and immediately contact the Hong Kong Police Department.

Email 17

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:19 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Hello,dear Radarman

But i can promise that i have never sold fack item ,and if it is with problem ,we will contact with the manufactory !
Maybe let’s make out both concession okay ?
I promise that i i will full refund plus the postal you paid for the return back item when i get the back item ! (as you must know that if the item is really in problem ,i need to take the item to the manufactory for compensaction ) hope you can understand !

And if not ,it is okay ,let’s wait for the solution of the Hong Kong Police Department !

sincerely
Go

Email 18

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:58 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

Hi Go,

Thanks for your reply. I will now write to the Hong Kong Police Department and let them know the situation. I will attach you to the email as well so that you can see the correspondence with the Police.

Radarman

Email 19

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:07 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Hello,Radarman

Maybe let’s come to the best solution that i refund to you firstly !
And you then return the item back to me okay ?
I am honestly hoping to solve problem to you ! not because i do the wrong thing ,friend !
Is it okay ?

Go

Email 20

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:10 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

Dear Go,

I have just finished typing the letter to the Hong Kong Police. Here it is for you to see before I send it:

Hello,

I recently bought a USB drive from an eBay seller located in Hong Kong. The item purchased turned out to be fake, and this seller has committed fraud. The seller has refused to refund my money. I am currently living in the Republic of XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

I can supply you with all of the seller’s correspondences to me, his address where the item was shipped from, the eBay auction page, the actual fake USB key that was shipped to me, and test results that prove the item is a fake.

Please let me know who to contact directly to hand over this information.

Regards,
Radarman

I want my money refunded NOW or I will send this letter to the police today. Let me know what you want to do – refund my $16.00USD or have me send this email to the police today. It is your choice.

Radarman

Email 21

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Hello,Radarman

Firstly ,i can tell you that the HK police won’t be in charge with the very case !

But i am honestly hoping to solve the problem friendly with you !
So now ,i just would like to know that could you please return the item to me when you get a full refund ?
And you should promise that you won’t leave me bad feedback after i refunding to you !
Once you confirm with it ,i will refund to you at once !
Hope to get your reply soon

Go

Email 22

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:16 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

Refund the money IMMEDIATELY or I am sending that email to the Hong Kong Police.

Radarman

Email 23

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:17 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

So you meant that you can promise with my requisition right ?

Email 24

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:18 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

That’s it – I’m sending the email now to the Hong Kong Police. You have 5 minutes to refund my money.

Radarman

Email 25

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM
To: cpu-tcd@police.gov.hk

Hello,

I recently bought a USB drive from an eBay seller located in Hong Kong. The item purchased turned out to be fake, and this seller has committed fraud. The seller has refused to refund my money. I am currently living in the Republic of xxxxxxxxxxx.

I can supply you with all of the seller’s correspondences to me, his address where the item was shipped from, the eBay auction page, the actual fake USB key that was shipped to me, and test results that prove the item is a fake.

Please let me know who to contact directly to hand over this information.

Regards,
Radarman

Email 26

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:31 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Hello,Radarman
I am sorry ,but you have sent the wrong email

Email 27

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:32 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

I sent it to the police, and copied you in the BCC field. You both got copies of the email.

Email 28

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:32 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Radarman, yes ,i see the emial which you sent to HK police !

Email 29

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:33 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Oh

Email 30

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:37 AM
To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>

I am waiting for them to respond to my letter. If the 16USD is not refunded by the time they reply to my email, I will supply them with all of your info.

Radarman

Email 31

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM
To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com>

Hello,Radarman
I am sorry for inconvenvience caused firstly !
But i can tell you i have not sold a fraud item ,i am honestly selling on ebay ,for that you can see my feedback !
And till now ,i am still hoping to solve the problem with you friendly !
if you can promise that you can return the item back to me after i refund to you , i will refund to you at once !
I just need your confirmation with it !

Go

Many fake flash sellers wave their feedback score as evidence that they are not fake flash sellers. The fact is, the flash drives do have a true capacity but it is much smaller than the advertised capacity. The real capacity is usually enought to fool most buyers with the quick tests they do. It is later, when they exceed the true capacity that data corruption occurs. It does not usually happen before they reach the limit of the real capacity. For this reason you will find that fake flash sellers can have very high positive scores. When a buyer has left a postive score they feel that they can do little. Too late. In many cases if it is not over the 45 day PayPal time limit or the eBay 60 day limit they can do something. If in the 60 days they can at least leave a follow up feedback stating that they have discovered a fake! Email 32

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:45 AM To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> No, I will not return the item. If I return it, and you do not refund my money, I will have no evidence to hand over to the police. You have sold me a fake item, and it is your duty to refund all of my money in full. You have already shipped me two fake items – I cannot trust that you will actually refund my money if I send the item back to you. Like I said, if the money is not refunded by the time the Hong Kong Police respond to my email, all of your emails, eBay profile, return address and fake USB key will be handed over to the police. It is up to you – refund my 16USD or deal with them. Your choice. Radarman

Email 33

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:46 AM To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> I will also contact eBay and PayPal if you do not refund this money immediatley.

Email 34

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:49 AM To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> Hello,Radarman But i think you have made mistake , I meant that i refund to you firstly ,and you then return the item back to me ! The item is not from me ,it is from a manutactory ,i need it to file compensaction from the manufactory ,can you understand ? Go

Email 35

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:50 AM To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> Refund this money IMMEDIATELY or you will be dealing with the Hong Kong Police. I understand they are very strict with these types of crimes. You already have the first USB key that I shipped to you – that is enough for you to show the manufacturer. I expect a full refund at once. Radarman

Email 36

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> And till now ,i don’t think the item is fraud ! it is why i hope you can return the item back for checking ! Your cooperation be great apprecitated !

Email 37

From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:52 AM To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> That is your problem. I am not returning the item to you. I demand a full refund immediately.

Email 38

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> Hello,Radarman I am refunding to you ,could you please confirm with your paypal account ? Thank you !

Email 39

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> Date: 2008/9/23 To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> Radarman@gmail.com is it right ? Email 40 From: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:18 AM To: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> That’s correct.

Email 41

From: go2best hk <go2besthk@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:19 AM To: Radarman <Radarman@gmail.com> I have sent you 16USD ,please check and confirm with it ! Thank you !

Radarman confirmed he received his refund from seller go2besthk. It required a tenis match of emails – back and forth. Radarman won. Not only did he win, but the seller received a clear message. We don’t think go2besthk was prepared for an eBayer like Radarman. Radarman not only remained firm but he carefully and patiencentlyy repeated the facts. The seller did not really think that Radarman would actually send an email to the Hong Kong Police. He was fair. He sent the seller the email he was going to send so the seller had time to digest it. He also unnerved the seller with a bcc email copy. That is, a blind copy of what he sent to the police. go2besthk didn’t expect that from a buyer. Probably no victim of his auctions ever did this before. You probably noticed how Radarman changed his approach in dealing with the seller. He read the article: Hong Kong Fake Flash eBay Sellers – How To Get PayPal Refunds at our site and he used the information to deal with go2besthk. He forwarded the communications to SOSFakeFlash hoping that it would be helpful to other eBayers in their cases with fake flash sellers on eBay. Thank you Radarman!

FlashFakeCentral:

go2besthk sold Radarman this usb flash drive:

 

4GB USB 2.0 Drive Flash Memory Stick Pen 4Go 4 GB G U24

This model is frequently sold on eBay by fake flash memory sellers, it comes in many different false capacities ranging from 4GB to 32GB.

If you are a victim of a false capacity memory item purchased on eBay, please report into SOSFakeFlash using the Report a Fake Tab.